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	<description>Sarah and Alaric Snell-Pym living in interesting times</description>
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		<title>By: Carina Fearnley</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/27/grrrr/#comment-2767</link>
		<dc:creator>Carina Fearnley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;True love is not about travelling for however many hours either way to see loved ones, its about understanding your loved ones situation, and should it be they are slightly tied up for very good reasons, then understanding and respecting that is love. And to love ones children no matter how old, is the only thing that matters in this world of despair, greed and anger.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True love is not about travelling for however many hours either way to see loved ones, its about understanding your loved ones situation, and should it be they are slightly tied up for very good reasons, then understanding and respecting that is love. And to love ones children no matter how old, is the only thing that matters in this world of despair, greed and anger.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Margaret David Connor & Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/27/grrrr/#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret David Connor & Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a load of tosh....who expects a new mother to jump at the 'click of a finger'.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarah - the only time you need to jump honey is when that baby needs you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not when some old bint decides she is more important than your new born.  WHAT A CHEEK !!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You should be enjoying your new treasure, not reading c**p written by someone who obviously can't even use Capital Letters when spelling her own name.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry Alaric.  Don't know the woman, but I'm not interested in learning either, I think that the message was so rude and so unnecessary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You all have everything you need, your own unit, Sarah, Jean, Alaric.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are a beautiful family, you have a beautiful daughter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Enjoy every moment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;DON'T LET ANY ONE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had no support after the birth of Connor - no mother to help - my family kept their distance, which was difficult for me, but tradition if you like for my family, but I needed support, and I know you will receive that from your family, your friends.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The few you do not get support from, do not dwell on because they are not worth it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I tried to enjoy every brief moment with Connor as a baby...... because as they grow up, you realise how brief that time was.  Jordan is more of a baby...I suppose I am appreciating that now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Connor is my little soul-mate.  We have great chats, he has a great sense of humour, and is always ready to tell you his new batch of jokes.  Jordan is just full of cuddles and more cuddles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I treasure every moment of my babies, as you will yours.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have great respect for both of you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish you both a happy and healthy long life with your daughter Jean.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You will grow with your daughter, enjoy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Love Margaret, Connor, Jordan and oh yes, Uncle David I suppose, if he must get in on the act.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of tosh....who expects a new mother to jump at the 'click of a finger'.</p>

<p>Sarah - the only time you need to jump honey is when that baby needs you.</p>

<p>Not when some old bint decides she is more important than your new born.  WHAT A CHEEK !!</p>

<p>You should be enjoying your new treasure, not reading c**p written by someone who obviously can't even use Capital Letters when spelling her own name.</p>

<p>Sorry Alaric.  Don't know the woman, but I'm not interested in learning either, I think that the message was so rude and so unnecessary.</p>

<p>You all have everything you need, your own unit, Sarah, Jean, Alaric.</p>

<p>You are a beautiful family, you have a beautiful daughter.</p>

<p>Enjoy every moment.</p>

<p>DON'T LET ANY ONE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.</p>

<p>I had no support after the birth of Connor - no mother to help - my family kept their distance, which was difficult for me, but tradition if you like for my family, but I needed support, and I know you will receive that from your family, your friends.</p>

<p>The few you do not get support from, do not dwell on because they are not worth it.</p>

<p>I tried to enjoy every brief moment with Connor as a baby...... because as they grow up, you realise how brief that time was.  Jordan is more of a baby...I suppose I am appreciating that now.</p>

<p>Connor is my little soul-mate.  We have great chats, he has a great sense of humour, and is always ready to tell you his new batch of jokes.  Jordan is just full of cuddles and more cuddles.</p>

<p>I treasure every moment of my babies, as you will yours.</p>

<p>I have great respect for both of you.</p>

<p>I wish you both a happy and healthy long life with your daughter Jean.</p>

<p>You will grow with your daughter, enjoy.</p>

<p>Love Margaret, Connor, Jordan and oh yes, Uncle David I suppose, if he must get in on the act.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Liz Coutts</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/27/grrrr/#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Coutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sarah and Alaric – as you know I am not normally one to respond on websites, but felt that I could not ignore the totally unjust, caustic and ill-informed comments made by ‘Eileen Maloney’.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can only believe that Ms. Maloney knows Sarah very little personally, if at all, and has only gleaned knowledge and information from others, who, seemingly also know Sarah very little personally.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have known Sarah ALL of her life (in fact since before she was born!!), and have known Alaric for the past three years.  I know that I would look long and hard to find a nicer, kinder and more considerate and polite young man.  I have been only too happy to welcome and consider Alaric as ‘part of our family’, and will always continue to think of and treat him in that way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Neither of them are materialistic people in any way, shape or form – branded labels mean nothing to them except unnecessary expense, and ‘if it still works then why bin it and buy a new one just because it isn’t the latest 
fashion’.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarah and Alaric are idyllically suited to each other – they are two truly kind, considerate, loving, compassionate, caring and selfless people, who WORK VERY HARD (where does the over-privileged come from?).  They will help anyone in any way they can – exactly the situation that resulted in Ms. Maloney’s ill-informed posting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I too read Sarah’s posting, and to a great extent realised that these were the rantings of a five-weeks post natal mother with extreme health problems and pain as a result of a difficult birth, also trying to settle into a new home 
and surroundings, but being unable to do very much at all because of her present condition – I wonder if Ms. Maloney 
has ever been in that position?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have every confidence that Sarah and Alaric will sort it out between themselves with a little help from WILLING friends and family, and given time and the right treatment, God willing, Sarah’s health problems will undoubtedly improve.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Strangely enough though I can find no reference in Sarah’s rantings that she was claiming any sort of monopoly on illness.  Many others have problems in that respect, some also life threatening, and Sarah and Alaric are only too acutely aware of this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this sort of situation resorting to name calling and insults is probably the most juvenile way to attack – most adults grew out of that habit in their childhood – sticks and stones and all that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am one of the ‘lawless brats’ from council accommodation (bordering on the outskirts of the East End of London no less!) that Ms. Maloney chooses to insult.  I am extremely proud of my roots, and not ashamed of my beginnings in any way.  But as far as manners and education are concerned I seriously wonder what qualifications Ms. Maloney has to make such statements – judging by the penultimate posting – none!  I can and have succeeded where the supposed best have failed – not all council tenants are ignorant and lawless, and one treads on very thin ice to make such sweeping condemnations, as well as displaying true snobbery at its best.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have no doubts as to who it is that does not have much connection with the real world – it certainly ISN’T Sarah and Alaric.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Jean Rose is an extremely blessed child to have such wonderful parents, and I know that Sarah and Alaric will nurture and raise her in the warmth of their love, and protection, and through their teachings Jean too will learn to 
be loving, caring and compassionate towards every living creature.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ms. Maloney would do well to remover HER head from whoever’s orifice it is buried up, clean her ears and her eyes, 
and take lessons in the real world of life – then eat a large plateful of ‘Apology Pie’.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Like it or not there are two sides to every tale, and if one chooses to comment then all sides should be heard first hand, and I don’t mean reading postings on a website either!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Remember – a still tongue makes a wise head, and if you can’t say anything nice, then best you say nothing at all!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarah and Alaric – go forward now and forget all about the ‘rubbish’ comments – I am sure you don’t need me to tell 
you that your main priority is the total welfare of your beautiful little miracle of life – Jean Rose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please give that little darling a massive kiss and big squeezy hug for me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All my love and support to the THREE of you as you venture on life’s pathway of new beginnings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;God Bless - Auntie Lizzie&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah and Alaric – as you know I am not normally one to respond on websites, but felt that I could not ignore the totally unjust, caustic and ill-informed comments made by ‘Eileen Maloney’.</p>

<p>I can only believe that Ms. Maloney knows Sarah very little personally, if at all, and has only gleaned knowledge and information from others, who, seemingly also know Sarah very little personally.</p>

<p>I have known Sarah ALL of her life (in fact since before she was born!!), and have known Alaric for the past three years.  I know that I would look long and hard to find a nicer, kinder and more considerate and polite young man.  I have been only too happy to welcome and consider Alaric as ‘part of our family’, and will always continue to think of and treat him in that way.</p>

<p>Neither of them are materialistic people in any way, shape or form – branded labels mean nothing to them except unnecessary expense, and ‘if it still works then why bin it and buy a new one just because it isn’t the latest 
fashion’.</p>

<p>Sarah and Alaric are idyllically suited to each other – they are two truly kind, considerate, loving, compassionate, caring and selfless people, who WORK VERY HARD (where does the over-privileged come from?).  They will help anyone in any way they can – exactly the situation that resulted in Ms. Maloney’s ill-informed posting.</p>

<p>I too read Sarah’s posting, and to a great extent realised that these were the rantings of a five-weeks post natal mother with extreme health problems and pain as a result of a difficult birth, also trying to settle into a new home 
and surroundings, but being unable to do very much at all because of her present condition – I wonder if Ms. Maloney 
has ever been in that position?</p>

<p>I have every confidence that Sarah and Alaric will sort it out between themselves with a little help from WILLING friends and family, and given time and the right treatment, God willing, Sarah’s health problems will undoubtedly improve.</p>

<p>Strangely enough though I can find no reference in Sarah’s rantings that she was claiming any sort of monopoly on illness.  Many others have problems in that respect, some also life threatening, and Sarah and Alaric are only too acutely aware of this.</p>

<p>In this sort of situation resorting to name calling and insults is probably the most juvenile way to attack – most adults grew out of that habit in their childhood – sticks and stones and all that.</p>

<p>I am one of the ‘lawless brats’ from council accommodation (bordering on the outskirts of the East End of London no less!) that Ms. Maloney chooses to insult.  I am extremely proud of my roots, and not ashamed of my beginnings in any way.  But as far as manners and education are concerned I seriously wonder what qualifications Ms. Maloney has to make such statements – judging by the penultimate posting – none!  I can and have succeeded where the supposed best have failed – not all council tenants are ignorant and lawless, and one treads on very thin ice to make such sweeping condemnations, as well as displaying true snobbery at its best.</p>

<p>I have no doubts as to who it is that does not have much connection with the real world – it certainly ISN’T Sarah and Alaric.</p>

<p>I think Jean Rose is an extremely blessed child to have such wonderful parents, and I know that Sarah and Alaric will nurture and raise her in the warmth of their love, and protection, and through their teachings Jean too will learn to 
be loving, caring and compassionate towards every living creature.</p>

<p>Ms. Maloney would do well to remover HER head from whoever’s orifice it is buried up, clean her ears and her eyes, 
and take lessons in the real world of life – then eat a large plateful of ‘Apology Pie’.</p>

<p>Like it or not there are two sides to every tale, and if one chooses to comment then all sides should be heard first hand, and I don’t mean reading postings on a website either!</p>

<p>Remember – a still tongue makes a wise head, and if you can’t say anything nice, then best you say nothing at all!</p>

<p>Sarah and Alaric – go forward now and forget all about the ‘rubbish’ comments – I am sure you don’t need me to tell 
you that your main priority is the total welfare of your beautiful little miracle of life – Jean Rose.</p>

<p>Please give that little darling a massive kiss and big squeezy hug for me.</p>

<p>All my love and support to the THREE of you as you venture on life’s pathway of new beginnings.</p>

<p>God Bless - Auntie Lizzie</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alaric Snell-Pym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alaric Snell-Pym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh dear...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't think Sarah was really wishing death on anyone; it's just a figure of speech.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Karin was in our bad books that weekend because she took Sarah and Jean turning up to meet her and me arriving an hour later as evidence that I felt I had "better things to do with my time" than actually being there when somebody who had travelled cross country to see me arrived.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When in actual fact, I was an hour late because I had to unexpectedly travel a fair distance myself to Oxford and back that morning to rescue Sarah's parents, who had spent a cold night in a van in a car park - due to our van's tyre blowing, which I felt some responsibility for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I had a choice of be an hour late to see Karin (although Sarah and Jean, the star of the show, would be there), or leave Sarah's parents in the cold for another five hours or so. When stuck with a choice such as that, I fall back on [[Wikipedia:Consequentialism&#124;Consequentialist ethics]] and aim to minimise harm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have yet to have any suggestions of what else I should have done on that day. I think that making two aging diabetics wait in the cold for several more hours in order to have an extra hour of lunching with my mother would have shown far less feeling than what I did!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Sarah took all this rather badly, due to having struggled to get there without me to help carry everything. I was hoping that we might have the van fixed in time for me to be back home in order to travel in with Sarah and Jean, so when it looked like this wouldn't happen I had to ring home and ask her to get everything ready in time to be picked up by my aunt, or they wouldn't make it in time themselves (my aunt had to head back from Oxford, since she had driven me there). Baby, car seat, collapsible pram, and so on aren't too easy to handle on crutches, nor to assemble at the other end. She was in a lot of pain, so it is no surprise she was frustrated to find that our efforts so unappreciated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact is, it isn't easy for us to get to places from here. Our plan for that Saturday was to pack everything together, then Sarah's parents would give us a lift to the bus stop with Jean and her gear so we could be in Cheltenham and have a lunch site scouted out (for the bus runs every hour, we would have to be about half an hour early) in time for when Karin arrived, so we did not need to walk around looking for one with Sarah in crutches. We are very dependent on when some kind volunteer can drive us to a place, which also means we can't just choose to be somewhere when we want to. If our travel plans go awry because somebody can't be there to take us when they said they would, for whatever reason, we have to struggle to improvise the best we can.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But we do have lots of pictures of Jean:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/29/cute-pictures/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear...</p>

<p>I don't think Sarah was really wishing death on anyone; it's just a figure of speech.</p>

<p>Karin was in our bad books that weekend because she took Sarah and Jean turning up to meet her and me arriving an hour later as evidence that I felt I had "better things to do with my time" than actually being there when somebody who had travelled cross country to see me arrived.</p>

<p>When in actual fact, I was an hour late because I had to unexpectedly travel a fair distance myself to Oxford and back that morning to rescue Sarah's parents, who had spent a cold night in a van in a car park - due to our van's tyre blowing, which I felt some responsibility for.</p>

<p>So I had a choice of be an hour late to see Karin (although Sarah and Jean, the star of the show, would be there), or leave Sarah's parents in the cold for another five hours or so. When stuck with a choice such as that, I fall back on <a class='wikipedia' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism' title='Wikipedia article on Consequentialism'>Consequentialist ethics</a> and aim to minimise harm.</p>

<p>I have yet to have any suggestions of what else I should have done on that day. I think that making two aging diabetics wait in the cold for several more hours in order to have an extra hour of lunching with my mother would have shown far less feeling than what I did!</p>

<p>And Sarah took all this rather badly, due to having struggled to get there without me to help carry everything. I was hoping that we might have the van fixed in time for me to be back home in order to travel in with Sarah and Jean, so when it looked like this wouldn't happen I had to ring home and ask her to get everything ready in time to be picked up by my aunt, or they wouldn't make it in time themselves (my aunt had to head back from Oxford, since she had driven me there). Baby, car seat, collapsible pram, and so on aren't too easy to handle on crutches, nor to assemble at the other end. She was in a lot of pain, so it is no surprise she was frustrated to find that our efforts so unappreciated.</p>

<p>The fact is, it isn't easy for us to get to places from here. Our plan for that Saturday was to pack everything together, then Sarah's parents would give us a lift to the bus stop with Jean and her gear so we could be in Cheltenham and have a lunch site scouted out (for the bus runs every hour, we would have to be about half an hour early) in time for when Karin arrived, so we did not need to walk around looking for one with Sarah in crutches. We are very dependent on when some kind volunteer can drive us to a place, which also means we can't just choose to be somewhere when we want to. If our travel plans go awry because somebody can't be there to take us when they said they would, for whatever reason, we have to struggle to improvise the best we can.</p>

<p>But we do have lots of pictures of Jean:</p>

<p><a href="http://snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/29/cute-pictures/" rel="nofollow">http://snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2005/09/29/cute-pictures/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: eileen mahony</title>
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		<dc:creator>eileen mahony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 09:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had been looking forward to seeing pictures of the baby and to give you my heartfelt congratulations so when I found the spewings of a virago wishing death on my best friend I was disgusted.Your manners are appalling ,a pair of lawless brats from a council flat, one would have imagined and not the behaviour of intelligent and educated people. Your want of feeling is profound and I can only imagine that the anal tear is the result of having your head too far up your own arse, as you don't seem to have much connection with the real world.Whilst I find you both beneath contempt I wish baby Jean health,wealth and a balanced mind as I feel she will need them.
Remember that you do not have the monopoly on ill health and that Karin has suffered a serious life threatening illness and all the reciprical pain there after. That a woman in her condition can be bothered to travel 4 hours each way to see her family for 2 hour demonstrates her love and care for you all.
Karin was going to buy you a three wheeler buggy as she felt that living in the countryside Sarah would find life much easier with one , I hope that she is not so silly now as to invest more in a pair of over priviliged bithches and yes I mean you  too Alaric.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been looking forward to seeing pictures of the baby and to give you my heartfelt congratulations so when I found the spewings of a virago wishing death on my best friend I was disgusted.Your manners are appalling ,a pair of lawless brats from a council flat, one would have imagined and not the behaviour of intelligent and educated people. Your want of feeling is profound and I can only imagine that the anal tear is the result of having your head too far up your own arse, as you don't seem to have much connection with the real world.Whilst I find you both beneath contempt I wish baby Jean health,wealth and a balanced mind as I feel she will need them.
Remember that you do not have the monopoly on ill health and that Karin has suffered a serious life threatening illness and all the reciprical pain there after. That a woman in her condition can be bothered to travel 4 hours each way to see her family for 2 hour demonstrates her love and care for you all.
Karin was going to buy you a three wheeler buggy as she felt that living in the countryside Sarah would find life much easier with one , I hope that she is not so silly now as to invest more in a pair of over priviliged bithches and yes I mean you  too Alaric.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Charlee Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlee Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh Honey!
firstly, you are the best parents I've ever known.  I've never known two people care for and love each other more, and have such a desire to do the best for their child.  Monsoon clothes and 3 wheeler buggies might be nice if you've got the money for them, or to receive as gifts, but it's far more important that Jean is kept in milk and nappies and love than anything else.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm so sorry to hear that your health stuff is getting worse.  You really don't deserve this many complications!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Al, your Mum may have what she feels are good intentions, but ignore her, you're a great Dad.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarah, if there's anything we can do/bring with us at the weekend, please don't hesitate to let me know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Love you all&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Honey!
firstly, you are the best parents I've ever known.  I've never known two people care for and love each other more, and have such a desire to do the best for their child.  Monsoon clothes and 3 wheeler buggies might be nice if you've got the money for them, or to receive as gifts, but it's far more important that Jean is kept in milk and nappies and love than anything else.</p>

<p>I'm so sorry to hear that your health stuff is getting worse.  You really don't deserve this many complications!</p>

<p>Al, your Mum may have what she feels are good intentions, but ignore her, you're a great Dad.</p>

<p>Sarah, if there's anything we can do/bring with us at the weekend, please don't hesitate to let me know.</p>

<p>Love you all</p>]]></content:encoded>
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