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	<title>Comments on: Why are networks so hard to build?</title>
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	<description>Sarah and Alaric Snell-Pym living in interesting times</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2009/09/09/why-are-networks-so-hard-to-build/comment-page-1/#comment-109737</link>
		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find it very interesting to compare-and-contrast this idea with the state of routing in real-time video. There, you basically always have one big router, as big as you can afford, and it is the heart of your entire video/audio infrastructure, and is horrendously complex to setup. Perhaps this reflects the fact that long-distance real-time video (at broadcast levels of quality) is still so expensive that you only have a very few of these external links, and organise your schedule around their availability, so most of the complex routing is local.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it very interesting to compare-and-contrast this idea with the state of routing in real-time video. There, you basically always have one big router, as big as you can afford, and it is the heart of your entire video/audio infrastructure, and is horrendously complex to setup. Perhaps this reflects the fact that long-distance real-time video (at broadcast levels of quality) is still so expensive that you only have a very few of these external links, and organise your schedule around their availability, so most of the complex routing is local.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alaric</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2009/09/09/why-are-networks-so-hard-to-build/comment-page-1/#comment-108205</link>
		<dc:creator>alaric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, doing it in an open-source UNIX would be a good start! The bridging-with-fast-path-routing would need a bit of light kernel hackery (as the effective per-subnet router IP would need to be present, with the same MAC, on every gadget carrying that subnet, so we'd need to be able to do that - without ARP battles occuring).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rest can be in userland.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, doing it in an open-source UNIX would be a good start! The bridging-with-fast-path-routing would need a bit of light kernel hackery (as the effective per-subnet router IP would need to be present, with the same MAC, on every gadget carrying that subnet, so we'd need to be able to do that - without ARP battles occuring).</p>

<p>The rest can be in userland.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Faré</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2009/09/09/why-are-networks-so-hard-to-build/comment-page-1/#comment-107474</link>
		<dc:creator>Faré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or rather, start by modifying the NetBSD and Linux kernels to allow any old multiport device to function like a "gadget". Then bring in the hardware hackers to make cheap gadget devices with some off-the-shelf component, ASIC, FPGA or something in between.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or rather, start by modifying the NetBSD and Linux kernels to allow any old multiport device to function like a "gadget". Then bring in the hardware hackers to make cheap gadget devices with some off-the-shelf component, ASIC, FPGA or something in between.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Faré</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2009/09/09/why-are-networks-so-hard-to-build/comment-page-1/#comment-107470</link>
		<dc:creator>Faré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK. So we need to find the hardware guys and we're ready to launch the startup...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. So we need to find the hardware guys and we're ready to launch the startup...</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David Cantrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cantrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reliability is normally measured against &lt;em&gt;scheduled uptime&lt;/em&gt;, not just against time.  So a three hour &lt;em&gt;planned&lt;/em&gt; outage for maintenance that your users have been notified of in advance is Just Fine and won't prevent you hitting your 99.999% target.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reliability is normally measured against <em>scheduled uptime</em>, not just against time.  So a three hour <em>planned</em> outage for maintenance that your users have been notified of in advance is Just Fine and won't prevent you hitting your 99.999% target.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jamesb</title>
		<link>http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/archives/2009/09/09/why-are-networks-so-hard-to-build/comment-page-1/#comment-107186</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamesb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al! You're totally linked to from Hacker News! Nice one. Also, my eMail web interface is still getting worse :(  Any ideas yet? SSH problematic from my workplace.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al! You're totally linked to from Hacker News! Nice one. Also, my eMail web interface is still getting worse <img src='http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Any ideas yet? SSH problematic from my workplace.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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